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		<title>Comment on Book Review: &#8220;You Can Lead An Atheist To Evidence, But You Can&#8217;t make Him Think&#8221; by Ray Comfort by Nathaniel</title>
		<link>http://pulltheplugonignorance.com/2009/06/book-review-you-can-lead-an-atheist-to-evidence-but-you-cant-make-him-think-by-ray-comfort/#comment-238</link>
		<dc:creator>Nathaniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jun 2010 21:05:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Daniel:

Comfort doesn&#039;t use logic. He thinks he does, but it&#039;s so superficial that there are several equally logical counter-arguments to every one of his arguments.

1. No, it mustn&#039;t. No, it doesn&#039;t. Are you completely blind? We have nerves that go from our brains, down around our genitals and up towards our chests again. That isn&#039;t &quot;by design&quot;. If it is, then the designer was either stupid or drunk. We see the world upside down. Instead of making an eye that sees the world correctly, our brains have to trick us into thinking down is down, when really it&#039;s up. &quot;No more evidence needed&quot; my ass. This is such a weak argument it&#039;s pitiable.

2. So who created God? &quot;He always existed&quot;? Then why can&#039;t time? Who are you to know these things for certain? How do you, a mere mortal, make absolute statements about God and the beginning of time? Again, if you think this makes a convincing argument, I pity you. I really do.

3. &quot;Only the Judeo-Christian God&quot;? What? But I can also claim to be those things. That means I&#039;m God! I&#039;m just following your own logic here. You just proved that I&#039;m God. Do you still not see the flaws in these arguments?

4. &quot;He&quot; doesn&#039;t tell us squat. Man wrote the Bible. Man made up the myths that later became religion. You&#039;re saying that because a book claims that God exists, he does?

Conclusion: I didn&#039;t think I could find a person with more shallow and less thought-through arguments than Ray Comfort, yet here you are. I&#039;m speechless. Just stumped, that any person capable of taking care of him or herself could be so daft as to think these are convincing, persuasive arguments.

It&#039;s quite obvious to me that you haven&#039;t spent any time whatsoever actually critically thinking about your beliefs. You&#039;ve swallowed everything whole, and you didn&#039;t even bother to chew. The fact that you haven&#039;t choked yet is what I find most spectacular.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Daniel:</p>
<p>Comfort doesn&#8217;t use logic. He thinks he does, but it&#8217;s so superficial that there are several equally logical counter-arguments to every one of his arguments.</p>
<p>1. No, it mustn&#8217;t. No, it doesn&#8217;t. Are you completely blind? We have nerves that go from our brains, down around our genitals and up towards our chests again. That isn&#8217;t &#8220;by design&#8221;. If it is, then the designer was either stupid or drunk. We see the world upside down. Instead of making an eye that sees the world correctly, our brains have to trick us into thinking down is down, when really it&#8217;s up. &#8220;No more evidence needed&#8221; my ass. This is such a weak argument it&#8217;s pitiable.</p>
<p>2. So who created God? &#8220;He always existed&#8221;? Then why can&#8217;t time? Who are you to know these things for certain? How do you, a mere mortal, make absolute statements about God and the beginning of time? Again, if you think this makes a convincing argument, I pity you. I really do.</p>
<p>3. &#8220;Only the Judeo-Christian God&#8221;? What? But I can also claim to be those things. That means I&#8217;m God! I&#8217;m just following your own logic here. You just proved that I&#8217;m God. Do you still not see the flaws in these arguments?</p>
<p>4. &#8220;He&#8221; doesn&#8217;t tell us squat. Man wrote the Bible. Man made up the myths that later became religion. You&#8217;re saying that because a book claims that God exists, he does?</p>
<p>Conclusion: I didn&#8217;t think I could find a person with more shallow and less thought-through arguments than Ray Comfort, yet here you are. I&#8217;m speechless. Just stumped, that any person capable of taking care of him or herself could be so daft as to think these are convincing, persuasive arguments.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s quite obvious to me that you haven&#8217;t spent any time whatsoever actually critically thinking about your beliefs. You&#8217;ve swallowed everything whole, and you didn&#8217;t even bother to chew. The fact that you haven&#8217;t choked yet is what I find most spectacular.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Book Review: &#8220;You Can Lead An Atheist To Evidence, But You Can&#8217;t make Him Think&#8221; by Ray Comfort by Daniel J. Ayers</title>
		<link>http://pulltheplugonignorance.com/2009/06/book-review-you-can-lead-an-atheist-to-evidence-but-you-cant-make-him-think-by-ray-comfort/#comment-237</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel J. Ayers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jun 2010 20:25:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Comfort&#039;s logic is so elementary he doesn&#039;t feel the need to explain every rabbit hole question.  What evidence are you looking for exactly? His argument is simple:

1. Anything complex must have a creator or it would function like crap.  Since creation functions in all its complexity like a well maintained machine it must have had a creator. No more evidence needed.

2. Since time has a beginning then something out side of time must have created it. Just the fact we have time shows that there was a beginning. God is outside of time. We know a God therefore exists. 

3. We have a moral law within us because of this law that is not dependent on human factors like society, local authority, community and/or nurture from parents. Then we know there was a law creator and since it is part of our being then we know someone, one with a perfect moral being who has the skill to create humans exists. Only the Judeo Christian God claims to have these qualities therefore he must exist.

4. If you come to the conclusion that Jesus Christ is God and he created us then you will take his word for what evidence will be convincing to humans because that is how he designed us.  He says that we cannot convince people on an intellectual basis we can only convince on a conscience level.  So he tells us to focus on appealing to people’s moral guilt for how they run their lives and that will be convincing enough. 

Conclusion: That is what Comfort attempts to do over and over again, the end.  He is not a being an ass or ridiculous, he is just following instructions. He is either wrong or he is right we will ultimately find out in the end but he is trying to make the case not to wait till then.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Comfort&#8217;s logic is so elementary he doesn&#8217;t feel the need to explain every rabbit hole question.  What evidence are you looking for exactly? His argument is simple:</p>
<p>1. Anything complex must have a creator or it would function like crap.  Since creation functions in all its complexity like a well maintained machine it must have had a creator. No more evidence needed.</p>
<p>2. Since time has a beginning then something out side of time must have created it. Just the fact we have time shows that there was a beginning. God is outside of time. We know a God therefore exists. </p>
<p>3. We have a moral law within us because of this law that is not dependent on human factors like society, local authority, community and/or nurture from parents. Then we know there was a law creator and since it is part of our being then we know someone, one with a perfect moral being who has the skill to create humans exists. Only the Judeo Christian God claims to have these qualities therefore he must exist.</p>
<p>4. If you come to the conclusion that Jesus Christ is God and he created us then you will take his word for what evidence will be convincing to humans because that is how he designed us.  He says that we cannot convince people on an intellectual basis we can only convince on a conscience level.  So he tells us to focus on appealing to people’s moral guilt for how they run their lives and that will be convincing enough. </p>
<p>Conclusion: That is what Comfort attempts to do over and over again, the end.  He is not a being an ass or ridiculous, he is just following instructions. He is either wrong or he is right we will ultimately find out in the end but he is trying to make the case not to wait till then.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Eric Hovind&#8217;s Christian Arrogance by Nathaniel</title>
		<link>http://pulltheplugonignorance.com/2010/01/eric-hovinds-christian-arrogance/#comment-218</link>
		<dc:creator>Nathaniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jan 2010 19:03:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What makes you think I &quot;hate&quot; Christians? I absolutely think a lot of them are ignorant and sometimes downright stupid, but as far as I&#039;m concerned, Christians are the only ones who &quot;hate&quot; other people (even Jesus spoke of &quot;hating your parents&quot;). And as for gays... I neither like nor dislike them. They are people, just like you and me. They&#039;d have to do something particular for me to have an opinion on them as a group, but they haven&#039;t. Read my lips: they. are. just. people.

There&#039;s nothing wrong with my &quot;comprehension&quot;, but your grammar and spelling leaves much to be desired.

I&#039;m quite satisfied with &lt;i&gt;my&lt;/i&gt; way of life, thank you, it&#039;s the way of life Christians choose that conflict with my way of life that I&#039;m dissatisfied with. Again, no hate involved. I leave such extreme emotions to you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What makes you think I &#8220;hate&#8221; Christians? I absolutely think a lot of them are ignorant and sometimes downright stupid, but as far as I&#8217;m concerned, Christians are the only ones who &#8220;hate&#8221; other people (even Jesus spoke of &#8220;hating your parents&#8221;). And as for gays&#8230; I neither like nor dislike them. They are people, just like you and me. They&#8217;d have to do something particular for me to have an opinion on them as a group, but they haven&#8217;t. Read my lips: they. are. just. people.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s nothing wrong with my &#8220;comprehension&#8221;, but your grammar and spelling leaves much to be desired.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m quite satisfied with <i>my</i> way of life, thank you, it&#8217;s the way of life Christians choose that conflict with my way of life that I&#8217;m dissatisfied with. Again, no hate involved. I leave such extreme emotions to you.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Eric Hovind&#8217;s Christian Arrogance by Lars Engerblom</title>
		<link>http://pulltheplugonignorance.com/2010/01/eric-hovinds-christian-arrogance/#comment-217</link>
		<dc:creator>Lars Engerblom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jan 2010 17:49:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So,you like gays and hate christians...
Why does it bother you ?
 Im sure you would have somthing better
to do if somthings not wrong with your
comprehension.
 If you were satisfied with your way of life,
would you then, be so full of hate ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So,you like gays and hate christians&#8230;<br />
Why does it bother you ?<br />
 Im sure you would have somthing better<br />
to do if somthings not wrong with your<br />
comprehension.<br />
 If you were satisfied with your way of life,<br />
would you then, be so full of hate ?</p>
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		<title>Comment on A Simpleton in Black and White by Nathaniel</title>
		<link>http://pulltheplugonignorance.com/2010/01/a-simpleton-in-black-and-white/#comment-216</link>
		<dc:creator>Nathaniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jan 2010 15:34:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem is that Christians like Ray both compare God&#039;s law to that of man&#039;s, and at the same time highlight the differences. The fact, in this case, is that man&#039;s law does not punish thought crimes. It is no illegal to simply be a pedophile. Why is he making an analogy with courts of law? He&#039;s trying to argue that pedophilia is bad enough to be punished as a criminal offense, but ignoring the fact that this does NOT apply to homosexuality. Which is correct? Should we not punish pedophilia, or SHOULD we punish homosexuality?

Simply put, Ray makes no sense at all. Not even the arguments based on the Bible make any sense. Again, why is homosexuality such a horrible sin, but pedophilia doesn&#039;t even get a single mention? It&#039;s all a thin veil to unsuccessfully hide his own bigotry and homophobia.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem is that Christians like Ray both compare God&#8217;s law to that of man&#8217;s, and at the same time highlight the differences. The fact, in this case, is that man&#8217;s law does not punish thought crimes. It is no illegal to simply be a pedophile. Why is he making an analogy with courts of law? He&#8217;s trying to argue that pedophilia is bad enough to be punished as a criminal offense, but ignoring the fact that this does NOT apply to homosexuality. Which is correct? Should we not punish pedophilia, or SHOULD we punish homosexuality?</p>
<p>Simply put, Ray makes no sense at all. Not even the arguments based on the Bible make any sense. Again, why is homosexuality such a horrible sin, but pedophilia doesn&#8217;t even get a single mention? It&#8217;s all a thin veil to unsuccessfully hide his own bigotry and homophobia.</p>
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		<title>Comment on A Simpleton in Black and White by III</title>
		<link>http://pulltheplugonignorance.com/2010/01/a-simpleton-in-black-and-white/#comment-215</link>
		<dc:creator>III</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jan 2010 14:21:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Is Ray suggesting that civil law start punishing thought crimes?&quot;

God punishes thought crime. Coveting is a thought based process and yet it is included in the 10 Commandments. Same with lust. It is not only the actions that condemn, but the thought. 

There is a strong precedent for Christians to feel they can punish thought.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Is Ray suggesting that civil law start punishing thought crimes?&#8221;</p>
<p>God punishes thought crime. Coveting is a thought based process and yet it is included in the 10 Commandments. Same with lust. It is not only the actions that condemn, but the thought. </p>
<p>There is a strong precedent for Christians to feel they can punish thought.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Ray Comfort&#8217;s Homophobia by Nathaniel</title>
		<link>http://pulltheplugonignorance.com/2009/12/ray-comforts-homophobia/#comment-205</link>
		<dc:creator>Nathaniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 17:42:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, my &quot;friend&quot;, you&#039;ve got a few things backwards. First, I tolerate Ray&#039;s beliefs, so far as to allow him to express them. I wouldn&#039;t censor his blog even if I could, and I freely and openly defend anyone&#039;s right to say whatever they want on the internet. That is why I don&#039;t moderate my comments (which Ray does). So yes, I do tolerate his beliefs. I just won&#039;t sit quiet and listen. It&#039;s not intolerant to be critical of someone or their beliefs.

Second, I&#039;m not &quot;hating&quot; anything. Ok, maybe I do hate organized religion for all the hurt and evil they represent, both in modern times and throughout history. It is due to religion, and religious beliefs alone, that people are being burned and tortured as &quot;witches&quot; in Africa right now. That&#039;s just ONE example of the horrors for which I hate religion. Oh, and guess what: those people in Africa are Christians. Wouldn&#039;t you know...

Your turn, my &quot;friend&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, my &#8220;friend&#8221;, you&#8217;ve got a few things backwards. First, I tolerate Ray&#8217;s beliefs, so far as to allow him to express them. I wouldn&#8217;t censor his blog even if I could, and I freely and openly defend anyone&#8217;s right to say whatever they want on the internet. That is why I don&#8217;t moderate my comments (which Ray does). So yes, I do tolerate his beliefs. I just won&#8217;t sit quiet and listen. It&#8217;s not intolerant to be critical of someone or their beliefs.</p>
<p>Second, I&#8217;m not &#8220;hating&#8221; anything. Ok, maybe I do hate organized religion for all the hurt and evil they represent, both in modern times and throughout history. It is due to religion, and religious beliefs alone, that people are being burned and tortured as &#8220;witches&#8221; in Africa right now. That&#8217;s just ONE example of the horrors for which I hate religion. Oh, and guess what: those people in Africa are Christians. Wouldn&#8217;t you know&#8230;</p>
<p>Your turn, my &#8220;friend&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Ray Comfort&#8217;s Homophobia by Boanerges</title>
		<link>http://pulltheplugonignorance.com/2009/12/ray-comforts-homophobia/#comment-204</link>
		<dc:creator>Boanerges</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 15:37:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What Ray sees as a decline in moral integrity is the fact that homosexuality is more and more tolerated (and, as we all know, tolerance has no place in Christianity!). 

Interesting statement. Will YOU tolerate Ray&#039;s beliefs? I thought not (as evidence of your entire blog dedicated to him). Nice try though. You could believe or not believe and go on your way but you find it necessary to unknowingly PROVE the very bible and ideas you hate by hating them and making it your point to be actively against them. Interesting indeed my friend.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What Ray sees as a decline in moral integrity is the fact that homosexuality is more and more tolerated (and, as we all know, tolerance has no place in Christianity!). </p>
<p>Interesting statement. Will YOU tolerate Ray&#8217;s beliefs? I thought not (as evidence of your entire blog dedicated to him). Nice try though. You could believe or not believe and go on your way but you find it necessary to unknowingly PROVE the very bible and ideas you hate by hating them and making it your point to be actively against them. Interesting indeed my friend.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Steel machines with wings that fly? Crazy! by Nathaniel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nathaniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 12:59:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Bruce
If that&#039;s what you think atheists believe, then I can&#039;t possibly have an intelligent, rational discussion about this with you, now can I? If instead of telling other people what they believe, you simply ask them, you might actually learn something in the process as well.

Also, atheist =/= evolutionist. The two have nothing whatsoever to do with eachother, and to conflate them is to draw a cheap straw man to attack; a cowardly practice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Bruce<br />
If that&#8217;s what you think atheists believe, then I can&#8217;t possibly have an intelligent, rational discussion about this with you, now can I? If instead of telling other people what they believe, you simply ask them, you might actually learn something in the process as well.</p>
<p>Also, atheist =/= evolutionist. The two have nothing whatsoever to do with eachother, and to conflate them is to draw a cheap straw man to attack; a cowardly practice.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Steel machines with wings that fly? Crazy! by Bruce</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bruce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 14:48:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, it sure sounds like Bill O&#039;Reilly, just spinning the Hell out of what bwinwright actually said.  Can he give ANY example of ORDERLINESS that DID NOT require intelligent direction?  Of course not.  Why?  Because he is an atheist, therefore insane.  He believes a tornado can blow through a junkyard and leave behind a newly assembled automobile.  This IS the insanity bwinwright speaks about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, it sure sounds like Bill O&#8217;Reilly, just spinning the Hell out of what bwinwright actually said.  Can he give ANY example of ORDERLINESS that DID NOT require intelligent direction?  Of course not.  Why?  Because he is an atheist, therefore insane.  He believes a tornado can blow through a junkyard and leave behind a newly assembled automobile.  This IS the insanity bwinwright speaks about.</p>
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