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Ignorance of ignorance is… What, exactly?

The one thing I just don’t get about the whole evolution/creation debate is why the one side thinks it is a virtue to be completely and utterly ignorant. Geerup and AronRa have been having a back-and-forth for a while now, but it’s not really a discussion of the typical sort. It mostly consists of Geerup spouting something completely wrong and provably false, with AronRa having to spend ten minutes of video-time correcting him.

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Geerup has the right to have his opinion, of course, but I just can’t understand why he still thinks he actually knows more about evolution than AronRa. I can’t understand how he can watch AronRa correct his incorrect assumptions and outright lies over and over and over again, and still come back the next day with the same drivel yet again. Geerup isn’t just ignorant in general, he is willfully ignorant of his own ignorance!

Hell, it doesn’t even stop there. Some other creationist (sorry, don’t really know who he is) even feels the need to mock AronRa for – wait for it – being smarter than himself! Seriously, one the side of evolution we have trained professionals who actually know what they’re talking about, and are able to coherently and concretely explain it to everyone else, and on the side of creationism we have people who not only ignore corrections and explanations, but actually make fun of people for telling them why they’re wrong. Am I the only one seeing the problem here? Why don’t creationists realize what kind of players are on each team? This isn’t like those feel-good Disney movies, the team of raggedy street-kids with no training aren’t going to win this match. Or, they might, but not without breaking the rules and bribing the referee. The real winners in this game are those who actually know how to play.

If evolution were a religion, who’d be our God?

Via Uncommon Descent, I get to a blog called “Darwin’s God: How Religion Drives Science and Why it Matters“. Here, Dr. Cornelius Hunter argues that evolutionists live in constant denial about the religious nature of the theory of evolution. “The metaphysics embedded in their thought is exceeded only by their denial of it. It is a truly fascinating mythology” he writes.

Ok, so the fact that Dr. Hunter would make this argument is somewhat spoiled for us right in the very title of the site. It is also not a very new argument, ID/creationism proponents have been claiming this for years. But why do they think so? What is it about evolution that makes it seem like it is religious in nature?

The reason given by evolutionists such as Myers for why their theological proclamations don’t count is that “evolution provides an explanation for” the imperfections.

It’s true, evolution does provide an explanation for the imperfections in nature. Dr. Hunter quotes (his emphasis) PZ Myers as writing

the interesting part about imperfections like the recurrent laryngeal nerve or the spine of bipeds or mammalian testicles isn’t simply that they seem clumsy and broken in a way no sensible god would tolerate, but that evolution provides an explanation for why they are so.

Not only does the theory of evolution predict beforehand what kind of evidence we should expect to find – and do find – but it also fits the evidence we already have found of common descent with modification. However, this isn’t enough for Dr. Hunter, because it doesn’t fit his worldview. They theory of evolution is incorrect not because it isn’t supported by evidence, but because it is incompatible with his pre-existent opinion of what the evidence is supposed to be.

Third, the notion that “evolution provides an explanation” is absurd. That’s like saying bed-time stories provide an explanation.

The only one’s who are religious in their methodology and conclusions are the creationists and the IDists, because they are the only ones to have reached their conclusions before seeing the evidence. This is shown by their continued insistence to try and prove their case to all of science as well as dismissing all the evidence that doesn’t fit their own ideas, while the real scientists study the evidence, form their theories and then spend a lot of their time trying to disprove their own conclusions. This is the base of the peer review system where you submit your theories not so that others can praise you for how right you are, but so that they can tell you precisely why you’re wrong. Naturally, not being interested in being proven wrong, creationists and IDists mostly reject this system, preferring to pat each other’s backs when one of them finds some perceived flaw in some small part of the theory of evolution.

Dr. Hunter’s problem, I believe, is that he himself is probably religious, and he therefor can’t conceive of a person coming to conclusions that aren’t grounded firmly in religious dogma and beliefs. Because he already believes one thing to be true, he must automatically reject everything else, regardless of the evidence in favor of it. The easiest excuse for someone like that is, of course, to deny one’s own problem and instead pin it on the other person. This is why he makes the illogical and unreasonable accusation that we are the one’s who are religious, and that he is one who’s simply following the evidence.

I just wonder how it is that a theory that is completely false and untrue can continue to produce cures for diseases, better crops and live stock and be supported by so many and so large bodies of evidence, while a theory like Intelligent Design, that is so obviously true, can consistently fail to produce anything at all, least of all evidence in favor of itself. No wonder then that they have to resort to vast conspiracy theories to explain away their own failures.

Ray Comfort Proves God Was Not Alone

One thing I’ve always wondered is why Christians will often argue that mere human wisdom will get us nowhere, that science can’t discover God because he dwells outside the natural realm. Yet these Christians claim to know all sorts of things about God for sure, simply by instinct. How is it that God is natural enough to directly manipulate his followers’ brains into knowing intimate details concerning his methods, goals and wishes, yet he is at the same time completely and utterly undetectable by any kind of human means, even though we should at least be able to measure the changing brain waves of someone being affected by God. It simply makes no sense, unless the point really is to convey the illusion of knowledge about the ultimately unknowable.

For example, Christians like Ray Comfort will argue that complex design is proof that there is an intelligent designer, because they cannot imagine any way for these designs to form naturally. One of Ray’s favorite lines is that atheists believe “nothing created everything” (which, according to him, is “intellectually embarrassing”), and that by taking God out of the equation we’re left dealing with the fact that the chicken spontaneously chose to lay an egg one day, without anyone or anything “designing” that egg in the first place. It is of course the most horrible of straw men, neither atheists nor scientists believe any such thing. However, they will also refuse to take their own logic and reasoning that one small step further. If the argument is that nothing complex could arise without intelligent design, then the intelligent design that creates these complexities will also, in turn, be complex enough to warrant a creator of its own. This leads to an infinite regress, and neither solves any problems nor answers any questions.

In essence, when Ray tells me that I believe “nothing created everything”, he is also telling me that he believes that “nothing created God, which then created everything” whether he likes it or not. Yet pointing this out will render nothing but silence, or a change of subject, as response. He must, for his own faith’s sake, ignore any further reasoning along those very lines, lest he end up realizing that God is impossible.

If you want to watch real intellectual embarrassment in action, look no further than to Ray Comfort, the very master of digging one’s own grave.

Ray Comfort: Christian, Creationist, Bigot.

Well sure, I’ve never exactly been a fan of Ray Comfort. At most, it’s been a sort of masochistic love-hate relationship. He’s just too amusing in his ignorance, too delightfully unpredictable in his idiocy. But this time he’s gone too far. No one could blame ignorance in these matters and get away with it.

Steve posted a comment to one of Ray’s previous posts. This is his comment:

I’ve got a question regarding the absolute immorality of “lusting” from the Christian perspective. I don’t mind if someone, anyone, ‘undressed me with their eyes’ and treated me in their minds as a sexual object. In fact, I could care less. It’s their business what they do with their thoughts, even if they are perverted creepies. So my question is, if someone lusts after me, do you still consider it to be immoral? If so, under what reasoning or logic can you hold that position tenable.

Now, notice how he seems to define sexuality without specifying it any further, but also notice he mentions “perverted creepies” as possible perpetrators of this act. Ray, of course, seems to have noticed this immediately. This is part of his reply:

Let’s say that when you say that you don’t mind if someone lusts after you, you include homosexuals. You say that it’s their business what they do with their thoughts. Their thoughts about you are their business. If we had a consensus, some would say that that’s okay, some would say that it’s not.

No, let’s not say that, because it doesn’t matter in the slightest. Why mention homosexuals in this example? Why separate them when they don’t have anything to do at all with Steve’s question? Why, Ray?

I won’t pretend to know Ray’s mind, but my impression is quite clear. Ray equates “perverted creepies” with homosexuals, and feels an urge to mention this specifically. There was no reason at all to explicitly add that it was a homosexual person doing the lusting. None whatsoever.

If Ray decides to apologize, I will gladly reprint his apology here, but unless he does, I officially call him out as the homophobic bigot that he is. I’m just glad he’s decided to be open and clear about it, giving all his followers a chance to see who he really is. Actually, I would love to hear from anyone who thinks positively of Ray tell me whether they support these opinions or not.

Steel machines with wings that fly? Crazy!

I learned something new today. Apparently, because I have a hard time accepting proposition without evidence as truth, I am to be considered “mentally ill”. That’s right, according to user bwinwright on AllVoices.com, all those attention seeking atheists out there are clinically insane, and deliberately trolling and taunting them is, I quote:

[...] like throwing holy water on Satan. It’s fun!

Apparently, this isn’t even really about God per se, but rather the fact that “intelligent direction” is absolutely evident and mandatory at all times, in all cases. The atheists refusal to agree with this is, naturally, enough to declare us “mentally ill”.

Now, admittedly I’m not a psychiatrist, but then again I’m pretty sure bwinwright isn’t one either, so we’re pretty much on equal grounds here. I think he has just as much credential to diagnose anyone as I do, that is none whatsoever. Remembering this, it’s very hard to take him seriously.

Further, according to him, “the one thing I do know is that ORDER REQUIRES INTELLIGENT DIRECTION. It is really nothing more than common sense” (his emphasis). So then I suppose it is totally acceptable to scrap all the scheduled space flights, cancel all the regular flights and put all the boats on dry land. You know, because common sense dictates that only birds can fly, nothing can live in space and heavy boats made out of metal should sink like stones. This is the kind of common sense that he wants us to live by. Unquestioning, wilfully ignorant common sense.

Unlike bwinwright, I like to question things, even that which is considered common sense. If people hadn’t questioned that, we wouldn’t have planes, boats and space rockets today. We would be stuck in our caves or mud huts, amazed at the gathering storm but utterly convinced by common sense that nothing could make fire except lightning striking the earth. In reality, even bwinwright questions a lot of things that are common sense. Just not the one thing that we have tons and tons of evidence against. He’s convinced that this one thing, this intelligent director, simply has to exist no matter what. It won’t matter to him how much evidence we give for purely natural phenomena, it won’t matter how many things we are able to explain in detail. He is utterly attached to, and dependent on, the idea of a “higher power” in the form of a theistic deity that directs and produces everything in existence. Despite all common sense, he believes this being actually exists.

I’m left to wonder which one of us fits the description of “mentally ill” best. Certainly, believing that something exists that you’ve never seen, heard, touched or smelled, that no instrument could ever measure or probe, that no other natural element is ever effected by and that is not even strictly necessary to explain anything anymore could be considered delusional, something which is very much a sign of actual mental illness. But then again, I’m not a psychiatrist, so that diagnosis isn’t mine to make.

Book Review: “You Can Lead An Atheist To Evidence, But You Can’t make Him Think” by Ray Comfort

As previously mentioned, I recently received and read Ray Comfort’s book “You Can Lead An Atheist To Evidence, But You Can’t make Him Think“. Now, this is not so much an actual book as it is a printed FAQ, separated into loosely assembled chapters. What Comfort does is simply take comments from his blog (called “Atheist Central“) and then attempts to answers these questions or claims made by these (supposed) atheists. Pretty much every single reply ends with Ray asking the atheist to accept Jesus and have faith in God.

"You Can Lead An Atheist To Evidence, But You Cant Make Him Think" by Ray ComfortThe first thing that struck me was the type of comments he had selected for this book. Emotional, angry responses from people who felt personally offended by his message, and repeats of old and worn “God-killer” type arguments. There are currently several people with actual scientific knowledge who regularly comment on all Comfort’s posts, whose questions would be utterly fascinating to hear him answer seriously, but those are not the questions you will see answered here. The point of this book is to evangelize, nothing more and nothing less. For someone who implies in the very title of his book that he provides atheists with “evidence” for God’s existence, this proposed evidence is suspiciously absent throughout every last chapter.

A lot of the time, I found that Comfort didn’t even actually address the question or complaint put forth by the “atheist” at all. He completely ignores it, and goes on ranting about how we already know God exists, which makes it pointless to question his existence. It’s full of creationist arguments along the lines of “since the world is a creation, that necessitates a creator” without ever even touching on the subject of how to determine that the world is a creation to begin with.

Another thing that I noticed is Comfort’s evident obsession with rapists, murderers and the mutilated corpses of little girls. Seriously, it’s quite disturbing to see the “atheist” ask a question about something, and comfort ending his reply by likening the atheist to someone who rapes, murders and mutilates little girls. It’s not just here and there either, I think he does this probably a dozen times. It really makes you wonder what this believer would be doing if he wasn’t constrained by the moral law of his God.

As an atheist myself, I like to believe that I am, in fact, quite capable of thinking. I would also welcome the opportunity to be “led to evidence”, if only that was what Comfort was trying to do with his book (Spoiler alert: it’s not). The world as a creation is, for him, all the evidence he needs to prove his creator, although he never even once attempts to prove the creation. Any question of whether God exists or not is answered with the stated claim that he does exist, without ever going into detail on how this can be known. To top it off, evolution is a big conspiracy, there are no transitional fossils and paleontologists and biologists do what they do only to become rich and famous. I wonder if Ray could even mention a single paleontologist by name.

If you’re an atheist, don’t bother reading this book. It’s rubbish. If you’re a Christian, it’s still rubbish. Ray Comfort’s arguments are as intelligent as the ocean is dry and it doesn’t matter who you are, his willful ignorance should be quite evident and obvious to anyone regardless of beliefs.

You can lead Ray Comfort to contradiction…

A few weeks ago, Ray Comfort offered to send anyone who asked him a free copy of his book You can lead an atheist to evidence, but you can’t make him think, as well as The Atheist’s Bible. Well, not wanting to pass up an offer to get anything for free, I asked. Last week, the package arrive, but since I was then in the middle of Sam Harris’ The End of Faith, I didn’t have time to start reading it until now. Last night, I opened the book for the first time. Last night, after two sentences, I was already contemplating throwing it away.

But, just as Darrin Rasberry, Atheist told me in the foreword, I endured, if only to be able to honestly say that I’ve heard Ray’s argument and not dismissed it out of hand.

I will return with a more in-depth review of the book at a later time, but just to wet your appetite a little, here’s a little preview of what I suspect my review will mainly consist of.

Page 8:

There are some cultures in which people show so much contempt for a family member that has wronged them they actually deny his existence. [...] That’s what the professing atheist does with God, and his or her reason for doing so is moral. It’s not intellectual. It if was an intellectual issue there wouldn’t be any argument.

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However, the reason your conscience has nothing to say about your atheism is that atheism is not a moral issue. It’s an intellectual issue.

It is truly a miracle that someone who can’t even remember what he himself wrote 27 pages ago, can still be trusted as authority when it comes to dismissing scientific evidence and rational thought.

Ray Comfort’s Nemesis: The Eye

Earlier today, Google Reader picked up on a new post from Ray Comforts blog, Atheist Central. However, when I went there to read the comments, the post had been taken down. Now, given what the post was about, I’m not too surprised. In fact, I’m going to post it in its entirety right here, and let you all laugh at what was too stupid even for Ray Comfort to admit to ever writing:

Look at what Darwin said about the complex nature of and evolution of the eye:

“To suppose that the eye with all its inimitable contrivances for adjusting the focus to different distances, for admitting different amounts of light, and for the correction of Spherical and chromatic aberration, could have been formed by natural selection, seems, I freely confess, absurd in the highest degree. When it was first said that the sun stood still and the world turned round, the common sense of mankind declared the doctrine false; but the old saying of Vox populi, vox Dei ['the voice of the people = the voice of God'], as every philosopher knows, cannot be trusted in science. Reason tells me, that if numerous gradations from a simple and imperfect eye to one complex and perfect can be shown to exist, each grade being useful to its possessor, as is certain the case; if further, the eye ever varies and the variations be inherited, as is likewise certainly the case; and if such variations should be useful to any animal under changing conditions of life, then the difficulty of believing that a perfect and complex eye could be formed by natural selection, should not be considered as subversive of the theory.”

Charles Darwin believed that the eye gradually evolved, absurd though it seemed.

The human eye is complex beyond imagination. It is a perfect and interrelated system of about 40 individual subsystems, including the retina, pupil, iris, cornea, lens and optic nerve. The retina has approximately 137 million light sensitive cells that send messages to the brain. About 130 million of these cells look like rods and handle the black and white vision. The other seven million are cone shaped and allow us to see in color. Incredibly, the eye, optic nerve and visual cortex are totally separate and distinct subsystems. Yet, together, they capture, deliver and interpret up to 1.5 million pulse messages a millisecond! Michael Behe, a biochemist from Lehigh University, coined a term for describing the design phenomenon inherent in molecular machines such as the bacterial flagella motor — “Irreducible Complexity” — “a single system composed of several well-matched, interacting parts that contribute to the basic function, wherein the removal of any one of the parts causes the system to effectively cease functioning.”

But when we speak of the evolution of “the eye,” we are not talking about one eyeball. There are 1.4 million species in the world. Every single one of those species had to miraculously and coincidentally evolve two eyes, which were connected to 1.4 million different incredibly complex brains, from the amazing eagle eye, to the huge elephant eye, to the tiny eye of an ant, and not one of those eyes could function without every interlinked component doing its job. It’s also important to realize that each one of the 1.4 million species would remain totally blind, until all the components had evolved to maturity and began to work. Then each of the two eyes had to somehow connect themselves to the 1.4 million functioning brains that had also miraculously evolved to maturity.

But there’s more than that, that had to take place. There had to be 1.4 million different shaped skulls with the appropriately shaped eye-sockets, from the large skull of the elephant to the tiny skull of the ant. Each had to evolve with the correct working muscles, nerves and tendons to secure and synchronize both of the eyes in place. Each eye then needed two moving and coordinated eyelids, as well as duel and working tear ducts, fed by an outside source of extraordinarily high quality lubricant.

The thought that the eye could evolve by itself without an Intelligent Designer over millions of years is truly “absurd to the highest degree.” So how could anyone (in his right mind) believe such an obvious absurdity? Easily. The necessary ingredient is “time.” Scientific America explains: “Time is in fact the hero of the plot. The time with which we have to deal is of the order of two billion years. What we regard as impossible on the basis of human experience is meaningless here. Given so much time, the ‘impossible’ becomes possible, the possible probable, and the probable virtually certain. One has only to wait: time itself performs the miracles.”

The miracle worker for the believer is “time.” It makes evolution believable. It performs miracles. The evolutionist wasn’t back in time to see the unseen do its impossible work, but he unquestioningly believes beyond the reasonable, and accepts as gospel that which is utterly ridiculous.

There it is, boys and girls. Ray Comfort has still not learned a single thing about the theory of evolution, or how it works. He still actually expects us to uncover a CrocoDuck, and that for every species of animal, a male and a female had to evolve independently of each other, find each other when adults, and mate. Really. What has been explained over and over again to Ray Comfort has not made a single dent in his Jesus-armour. It is utterly impervious.

“Hey kids, today is Satanist prayer day!”

Nick Gisburne has an enlightening demonstration of the real, actual outcome of suggestions that school prayer should be allowed. It really is interesting how those arguing for less separation of church and state argue that it is more fair for everyone, yet they rarely, if ever, consider anyone other than those included in their own faith group. The obvious danger of “true faith” is the enormous egotism that goes right along with it. “If it’s not good for me, it’s not good for anyone“, and of course the reverse is considered equally true.

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I also highly recommend watching another one of his videos, “God’s Unconditional Love“, a beautiful telling of what the word “unconditional” actually means to some people. (hint: God’s love is only unconditional under certain conditions)

Intelligent PR

A new atheist bus ad is going up in Chicago soon. This one I really like. It especially gives new meaning to the tired idea of Intelligent Design.

“Intelligent Design – the idea that man invented an intelligent creator to explain away all the things otherwise unexplainable at the time”

Now that’s a philosophy I could get behind!